A Conversation with Sep Kamvar and Charles Eisenstein | Kuneco April 2021


In this video, we will summarize a conversation between Sep Kamvar and Charles Eisenstein that took place in April 2021. The conversation explores various topics, including mycelial networks, interconnectedness, scarcity, and the potential of cryptocurrencies. Kamvar expresses his gratitude for Eisenstein’s influence and friendship, highlighting the importance of their discussions. They delve into the concept of mycelial networks as a form of communication and computation within and between living species. Additionally, they discuss the notion of being both a whole and a part, drawing examples from ant colonies, bee hives, and the human body.

The Intelligence of Forests

Kamvar reflects on the intelligence of forests, whose neural networks are more intricate than those of human brains. He raises questions about the role of forests as organisms and ecosystems, emphasizing the interconnectedness of all living beings. They mention Arthur Kessler, who coined the term “whole lots” to describe something that is simultaneously a whole and a part. Kamvar shares his personal experience of feeling connected to something greater than himself, leading to a discussion on why this truth of interconnectedness is not well-supported in society.

Separate Selves and Interconnected Beings

Eisenstein explains the societal shift that led to the perception of separate selves, where people believe their identity changes depending on the social setting they are in. He mentions the influence of narratives and the methodology of breaking processes into smaller parts, which brought great success but also limitations. The conversation touches on the idea that fear and greed, often associated with human nature, arise from introduced scarcity rather than being inherent traits. They explore the potential of creating an economy where individuals are connected to what they truly need, rather than competing for scarce resources.

Natural Capital Back Currencies

Kamvar expresses his interest in natural capital back currencies, a concept he discovered through reading Eisenstein’s book “Sacred Economics.” He asks Eisenstein to provide an overview of this idea. Eisenstein explains that these currencies are based on quantifying contributions to ecological healing, emphasizing that the aim is not to eliminate quantification but to associate currencies with natural capital. He introduces the concept of a reserve that grows as the currency circulates, allowing for decisions on tokenizing different aspects of nature. They discuss the role of computers in managing such systems and the social questions involved in determining how resources are allocated.

Beyond Debt-Based Money

The conversation shifts to the potential of alternative methods for bringing money into existence. Kamvar suggests selling and buying land as a means of creating a medium for exchange, while Eisenstein explores the possibility of a new social agreement rather than relying on the existing dollar system. They discuss the challenges and opportunities presented by cryptocurrencies and the need for social change in the way we approach economics.

Morphic Resonance and Change

Eisenstein introduces the principle of morphic resonance as an alternative to solving problems through force. He highlights the prevalence of the paradigm of overcoming through force in politics, technology, and society. They discuss the transformative power of devoting oneself to something that aligns with love, care, and ideals. Inspiration and morphic fields are identified as catalysts for change, with the potential to spread beyond marketing force.

This video provides a concise summary of the key points discussed in the conversation between Sep Kamvar and Charles Eisenstein. The topics covered include interconnectedness, mycelial networks, scarcity, natural capital back currencies, alternative methods for creating money, and the principle of morphic resonance.

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